Jesse Cannon is a multi-talented producer, mixer, mastering engineer, author, and podcaster who has been a long-time friend of the URM community. He’s the author of “Get More Fans” and has produced and mixed bands like The Misfits, The Cure, and Saves The Day. In recent years, he’s become a force in the podcasting world, producing hit shows for major outlets like Atlantic Records and The Daily Beast.
In This Episode
Jesse Cannon is back with a masterclass on career longevity, creative strategy, and the mindset required to turn any setback into an opportunity. Using his own recent experience of losing a major gig at Atlantic Records—and landing an even better one just three days later—as a launchpad, Jesse digs into the practical, real-world tactics that separate those who thrive from those who fade away. He breaks down his methods for non-slimy networking, using tools like Google Alerts to find your community, and balancing the three essential pillars of a creative career: proactivity, reactivity, and outreach. The conversation also explores the changing tides of the music industry, the challenges of navigating a world saturated with information (and misinformation), and what it actually takes to develop and produce a podcast that connects with an audience instead of just adding to the noise. This episode is packed with next-level insights on how to build a sustainable, adaptable, and successful career in audio.
Products Mentioned
- Get More Fans (Book)
- Mixing with Your Mind (Book)
- Where Good Ideas Come From (Book)
- Thinking, Fast and Slow (Book)
- Avid Pro Tools
- Celemony Melodyne
- oeksound soothe2
Timestamps
- [7:15] The difference between good and bad sources of information (Mixing with Your Mind vs. tabloids)
- [11:19] Why the democratization of information is one of society’s biggest challenges
- [14:43] How major labels reclaimed power from indie artists via Spotify playlists
- [17:10] Why too much opportunity for bands can actually degrade music quality
- [22:03] How the isolation of COVID could lead to more emotional and powerful art
- [24:03] The two types of artists during the pandemic: the prolific and the paralyzed
- [27:38] Losing a huge gig at Atlantic Records and turning it into a new opportunity in three days
- [30:59] Why non-specific, “skeezy-free” networking is the most effective long-term strategy
- [34:49] Using Google Alerts to keep tabs on your competitors and find your community
- [40:06] The three pillars of a sustainable career: outreach, proactivity, and reactivity
- [44:57] URM’s operating principle: “Do what the other guys won’t.”
- [56:01] Chance favors the connected mind: How diverse knowledge helps you solve problems creatively
- [1:02:49] The flawed logic of “they sucked at business but got famous, so I can too”
- [1:08:03] Choosing a producer: Are they the right person to fix *your band’s* specific weaknesses?
- [1:13:25] The myth of the lone wolf superstar (and why Trent Reznor has a team)
- [1:22:37] Why social media tactics only work if you have real-world experience to back them up
- [1:42:08] Jesse’s podcast prep process and using Venn diagrams to structure segments
- [1:53:39] Should you monetize a new podcast from day one?
- [2:00:10] How to get the word out when you’re starting from zero (the power of Reddit and Facebook communities)
- [2:11:20] Why the most successful people are often the ones who ask the most questions